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08/23/2012, 04:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 08/24/2012, 03:10 PM by tommy1729.)
here i give a ( nonunique short ) proof of TPID 4.
remember that entire taylor series are coo everywhere. ( infinitely differentiable for all finite complex )
let f(z,1) be an entire periodic function with f(0,1)=f(1,1)=1 and period 1.
and f(z,1) is not identically 1 for all z.
we will prove that for complex b with arg(b) <> 0 , the only solution to the equations is f(z,1) * b^z and hence the proof follows.
let k and n be positive integers.
f(0) = 1
f(z+k) = b^k f(z)
f = entire
then
take the derivative of the equation f(z+k) = b^k f(z) on both sides
f ' (z+k) = b^k f ' (z)
again
f '' (z+k) = b^k f '' (z)
and in general
f^(n) (z+k) = b^k f^(n) (z)
hence because of taylors theorem we must conclude
f(z) = f(0) * f(z,1) * b^z in the neighbourhood of 0.
but since f is entire it must be true everywhere and f(0) = 1 hence
f(z) = f(z,1) b^z
for all z.
if arg(b) <> 0 then the period of b^z does not have Re <> 0 and hence b^z is unbounded on the strip.
if f(z) needs to be bounded and b^z is not bounded , this implies that f(z,1) needs to be bounded.
but this is impossible since f(z,1) has a real period and is entire , it must be unbounded on the strip.
( remember f(z,1) =/= 1 everywhere by definition )
the product of two functions unbounded in the same region must be unbounded in that region.
QED
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i edited post 1
proof is much better now.
i make a new post to make it clear something changed.
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03/28/2014, 12:04 AM
(This post was last modified: 03/28/2014, 12:06 AM by tommy1729.)
Notice 0 < b^z < oo for finite complex z !
hence since b^z is unbounded to make f(z,1) b^z bounded we need f(z,1) going to 0 near the imaginary limits +/- oo i.
But f(z,1) b^z needs to be entire. And hence (by the above) f(z,1) cannot be entire.
Thus if f(z,1) b^z needs to be entire and f(z,1) goes to oo (f(z,1) goes to oo somewhere because its not entire ) ,we MUST conclude we need points z1 where b^z1 are 0.
But b^z is NEVER 0 in any strip.
This completes and clarfies the proof of post nr. 1.
I see that TPID 4 is still considered unproved in the open questions page.
I hope this post convinces everyone that I did indeed have proven TPID 4.
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Im not sure why this is still being ignored.
TPID 4 is imho solved !
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(04/26/2014, 12:24 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: Im not sure why this is still being ignored.
TPID 4 is imho solved !
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06/15/2014, 06:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 06/15/2014, 06:37 PM by sheldonison.)
(03/28/2014, 12:04 AM)tommy1729 Wrote: Notice 0 < b^z < oo for finite complex z !
hence since b^z is unbounded to make f(z,1) b^z bounded we need f(z,1) going to 0 near the imaginary limits +/- oo i.
But f(z,1) b^z needs to be entire. And hence (by the above) f(z,1) cannot be entire.
Thus if f(z,1) b^z needs to be entire and f(z,1) goes to oo (f(z,1) goes to oo somewhere because its not entire ) ,we MUST conclude we need points z1 where b^z1 are 0.
But b^z is NEVER 0 in any strip.
I viewed this proof only applied to b^z; that any other solution of b^(z+theta(z)) would be unbounded on the strip, and that's how I interpreted the proof. I didn't view this as a proof relating to Tetration, and I didn't think the OP viewed this as applying to Kneser's tetraton solution, a non-entire function, since tet(z) and sexp(z) are never mentioned in the post. But for b^z, you can multiply by a 1-cyclic function and still have a solution to b^z, so I interpreted the OP as intending this post to only apply to b^z. You can't multiply tet(z) by a 1-cyclic function and get an alternative solution to tet(z). But maybe I'm missing something.
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Indeed it applies to all real-analytic superfunctions !
For clarity its a uniqueness proof , not an existance proof.
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06/15/2014, 06:42 PM
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(06/15/2014, 06:35 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: Indeed it applies to all real-analytic superfunctions ! How so? Here \( \theta(z) \) is an entire 1-cyclic function.
\( \text{tet}(z+1)=\exp(\text{tet}(z)) \)
\( \text{tet}(z+1)\times \theta(z) \;<>\; \exp(\theta(z) \times \text{tet}(z))\;\; \) unless theta(z)=1 everywhere
But if you replace tet(z) with b^z, then it works, so that's how I interpreted the Op's proof, given that the proof never mentioned superfunctions or anything like that.
\( b^{z+1}\times \theta(z) \;=\; b^{\theta(z) \times b^z}\;\; \) for any entire theta(z) function
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(06/15/2014, 06:42 PM)sheldonison Wrote: (06/15/2014, 06:35 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: Indeed it applies to all real-analytic superfunctions ! How so? Here \( \theta(z) \) is an entire 1-cyclic function.
\( \text{tet}(z+1)=\exp(\text{tet}(z)) \)
\( \text{tet}(z+1)\times \theta(z) \;<>\; \exp(\theta(z) \times \text{tet}(z))\;\; \) unless theta(z)=1 everywhere
But if you replace tet(z) with b^z, then it works, so that's how I interpreted the Op's proof, given that the proof never mentioned superfunctions or anything like that.
\( b^{z+1}\times \theta(z) \;=\; b^{\theta(z) \times b^z}\;\; \) for any entire theta(z) function
z + theta(z) takes on all values in the strip -1=<Re(z)=<1 apart from possibly one value.
This follows from picard's little theorem and the periodicity of theta(z).
So since in the strip we take on all complex values (apart from 1 possible value) it follows that the range of sexp in that strip is the same range as sexp.
since the range of sexp is unbounded , than so is the range of sexp(strip).
Q.e.d.
The similarity with the unboundedness of the theta in the OP is striking.
Hope that clarifies.
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