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Ok, at the beginning I was convinced that the grouping operation on fingers was just the arithmetic mean.

Quote:To start you would put a fingers in one hand and b fingers in the other. Next you would figure out how many groups of a fingers you had total. Then you would perform the sum (# of groups) + (# in each group ) which is the same as (# of groups) + a.


In that interpretation we have that given a sequence \( a_i\in\mathbb C \) for \( i\in I \), we can see this sequence as \( |I| \) group of fingers where every group \( i\in I \) has \( a_i \) fingers in it. So we define an "hyper 0" operator \( \underset{i\in I}{\rm O} \)

\( \underset{i\in I}{\rm O}a_i=\frac{\sum_{i\in I}a_i}{|I|}+|I| \)

if \( \forall i,j\in I: a_i=a_j \) then  \( \underset{i=1}{\overset{n}{\rm O}}a=a+n \)

for \( |I|=2 \) (the 2-ary version) we get

\( a_1{\rm O}a_2=\frac{a_1+a_2}{2}+2 \)   and   \( a{\rm O}a=a+2 \)


But then an example of computation proposed is
Quote:3[0]2
You have 5 fingers total.That is 1 and 2/3s groups of 3. So the answer is 5/3+3 = 14/3

So the groups are meant to be weighted and the operation is clearly not commutative anymore. In fact the operation proposed is the following. Let \( a_i\in\mathbb C \) for \( I=\{1,2,3,..., n\} \). Define \( \lambda_i:=a_i/a_1 \)


\( \underset{i=1}{\overset{n}{\rm O}}a_i:=a_1+\sum_{i=1}^n\lambda_i \)

if \( 1\leq\forall i,j\leq n: a_i=a_j \) then  \( \underset{i=1}{\overset{n}{\rm O}}a=a+\sum_{i=1}^n1=a+n \)

for \( n=2 \),  \( a_1=a\neq 0 \) and \( a_2=b \)

\( a{\rm O}b=a+(1+\frac{b}{a}) \)   and   \( a{\rm O}a=a+2 \)

It is clear that the solutions work in some way for preaddition. It is not clear to me how these two solutions can meet the requirment of fundamentality


Quote:3. This operation should be something that is fundamental

since they require summation and ratios to be defined.

Mother Law \(\sigma^+\circ 0=\sigma \circ \sigma^+ \)

\({\rm Grp}_{\rm pt} ({\rm RK}J,G)\cong \mathbb N{\rm Set}_{\rm pt} (J, \Sigma^G)\)
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hyper 0 - by dantheman163 - 10/25/2009, 11:29 PM
RE: hyper 0 - by andydude - 10/26/2009, 01:43 AM
RE: hyper 0 - by MphLee - 03/09/2021, 10:28 PM

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