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RE: Illustrating the Leau-Fatou flowers - MphLee - 10/15/2022 Excuse me, I'm not lazy or what... only very busy atm... but I'd like to begin to chew this material... everyone here seems to understand terms and definitions but I'm a total beginner. What the hell is, formally, a flower? Looking at the pictures it seems the image of a path. In particular it seems it has to do with images of the family of paths \[\gamma_n:\mathbb S^1\to \mathbb C\] defined as \(\gamma_n:=f^n\circ \gamma_0\) where \(\gamma_0\) is the is the inclusion of the circle as the unit circle, or a scaled version of it. Question 1: what this family of loops/paths has to do with the formal definition of flowers and petals? Question 2: in any case, from the algebraic topology pov, each of these \(\gamma_n\) can be sent to their homotopy-class \([\gamma_n]\in \pi_1(\mathbb C)\). In the case of the complex plane, has the behavior of the induced discrete action on the fundamental group of the complex plane being studied? In general, if \(X\) is a topological space equipped with a continuous map \(f:X\to X\), and \(p\in {\rm fix}(f)\), we can define by post-composition an endomap \[{\bar f}:\pi_1(X;p)\to\pi_1(X;p)\] (for a proof use functoriality the first-homotopy group construction). The question is, what the induced dynamics on the homotopy groups tell us about the original dynamics? RE: Illustrating the Leau-Fatou flowers - bo198214 - 10/16/2022 (10/15/2022, 01:17 AM)MphLee Wrote: but I'd like to begin to chew this material... everyone here seems to understand terms and definitions but I'm a total beginner.You can find a proper definition of a petal in Milnor in the beginning of §7. A flower is just all the petals of a fixed point. (10/15/2022, 01:17 AM)MphLee Wrote: Looking at the pictures it seems the image of a path. In particular it seems it has to do with images of the family of paths \[\gamma_n:\mathbb S^1\to \mathbb C\]No, nothing like that - it is just an *illustration*! But with this illustration one can well see the attracting and repelling petals. RE: Illustrating the Leau-Fatou flowers - MphLee - 10/17/2022 Thank you. Now I get what you mean by illustration. Those paths' deformation is caused by the flower. It is perfectly clear now. RE: Illustrating the Leau-Fatou flowers - tommy1729 - 10/23/2022 (08/28/2022, 11:45 AM)bo198214 Wrote: Just to give some visual impressions I was drawing some Leau-Fatou flowers. About those 2 first pictures. The curve iterations intersect the initial curve at some points. Those points seems to converge to some values. So what are those values for say x + a * x^p + b * x^q ? We know the number of intersections for x + x^p are 2(p-1) but where do the limits go to ? Are those numbers fixpoints of something or so ? Are they easy to compute ? Do they have a closed form ? Regards tommy1729 RE: Illustrating the Leau-Fatou flowers - MphLee - 10/23/2022 Should those points converge on the boundary of the respective petals? I don't think we can say they are part of the same orbit. Assume the initial path is the unitary circle. Those intersection points are of the general form \[\{ p\in \mathbb S^1\, |\, \exists n\in \mathbb N. \exists \theta\in [0,2\pi).\, f^n(e^{i\theta})=p\}\] Maybe to each \(\theta\) we could associate/study the set of \(n\) such that \(|f^n(e^{i\theta})|=1\). Not sure how this can be useful. |